BLADEBOUND:

Let's start a spam war!!! (thinks up every possible bad word he can imagine!!!!!) We HAVE to do something!!! But either not many people hate Eragon or it just started, we can bring it down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, is Eragon that good that people feel insulted??? LOTR is THE best, end of story. Everyone knows that! However, you don't have to cry if another author gets inspiration from possibly the best author of all time!!!!

Bosco:

You should probably read that persons essay. I agree with basically everthing in it, but I still like the book. Weird. Here's what she wrote:

[insert my essay]

Er . . . I never said they could post my frickin' essay.

Eärendil:

I'm sending the essayist an e-mail; I think it's great that she posted criticism of Eragon. Different views make the world go 'round. (That and slinkies, vacuum cleaners, and solar wind.)

JoRmUnDur:

You do that, because she just thinks its bad because of LOTR and all. Well, what was Isenstar anyway? [I forget]

Also, its hilarious seeing people fighting on the essay.

Also, her writing page: DISGUSTING

Banana:

I pretty much agree with that essay. It's all true. And yet, I definitely don't hate Eragon. I just don't know what it is that I like about Eragon.

Eärendil:

The story itself is coaxing. Attractive cover, interesting premise... and violá, fanbase.

Guest:

first off i plan on writing him a very long angry email although he wil probobly just critasize that to becuse the only thing he likes sertantly apears to be is the lord of the rings.

secondly, unfortonatly people are entiteld to there opinions , if they wernt i would track him down and " fix things" in my own crude way.

eragonfan#1:

that was me above by the way, y cant i remember to log in?

Banana:

Why would you track that person down? They didn't inanely bash the book, like I've seen some people do. He just gave honest criticism, which every author welcomes.

And it was all true, too.

Bob The Goldfish:

QUOTE (Guest @ Jan 10 2005, 08:03 PM)

first off i plan on writing him a very long angry email although he wil probobly just critasize that to becuse the only thing he likes sertantly apears to be is the lord of the rings.

secondly, unfortonatly people are entiteld to there opinions , if they wernt i would track him down and " fix things" in my own crude way.

It was a she hehe not a he

Oceana:

There is no shame in sharing one's ideas, nor is there any shame in refuting those ideas. So long as ideas are conveyed respectfully, concisely, and showing some ounce of being literate. So writing back "ommmmg how can u say eragon sux it roxxxx" ain't gonna do much.

Why do we still like Eragon, its flaws included?

I stand by what I've said all along. I don't take it seriously. I don't analyze it, I don't look for flaws or even just notice the glaring ones.

I read it, and love it. Because it is still a nice fantasy read. Cover to cover, you'll have a nice little fantasy ride, end it, no harm done.

I'm not saying maybe he doesn't 'copy' maybe he isn't such a mediocre writing.

I'm saying I don't let that hinder my ability to read the book and enjoy it.

Also, let us remember Christopher is a maturing writer. He wrote and published it at a young age. Even as a late teenager, you cannot expect him to possess the skill of a master fantasy writer. "I can write better than that!" maybe you are thinking. But try it for yourself, and truly see. And also remember, sometimes you are not the best critic of your own work. Yes, often times you are the harshest critic on your own writings, but that doesn't mean you don't instinctively glaze over weaker parts. We are all human.

I look forward to improved writing in Eldest.

Banana :

That is, indeed, the best way to look at it, Oceana.

Bob The Goldfish:

Well Oceana puts that pretty simply, but thats what these forums r here for, so we can discuss what we like and dislike about and how we think it could've been improved. I agree with you on the part of CP just starting out and getting a better writer's hand, and the fact that we just like to read a novel from cover to cover and just love it for what we think of it and how much we liked it, plus I don't think anyone would be posting in these forums unless they liked something about the book or loved it mostly save for a few things that they thought were flawed but thats what make some works good, God i hope I didn't just say what Oceana just said but in a whole bunch of different word, that would make my English teacher proud

BLADEBOUND:

Still, she's bashing CP for not writing his FIRST book good enough as a TEENAGER . I have no doubt that no one expected his writing to be as mature as Tolkiens at this age. Tolkien was much older than CP. Give him time : after the Inheritance Trilogy, his writing will have matured further and he'd be capable of writing even better books with even fewer errors. Until then, I'll stick with this CP who she basically says is so descriptive, his work is not understandable at all... Still, she's entitled to her opinion and I respect her for revealing it, even if I disagree, which I do on Eragon being horrible but not anything else. (I still say we start a spam war, though!! )

Eärendil:

This is meant as no offense to anybody here- just a general statement of fandom. But have you ever noticed that when somebody says a negative thing about the fandom's... er... source, the entire fandom goes into a frenzy, appalled that anyone would dare insult their fandom... and then the people who are the detractors have more of a point than the fandom's members? It happened when I was a Garfield fan. Someone said Garfield wasn't original, and went über-l337 on them (with my m4d 6th grade skillz) and told them they were wrong. Then they showed me how it wasn't original. Bye bye, Garfield fandom.

murgatroid:

I completely agree with that essay, with the exception of maybe that physics thing, and, of course, that I like Eragon. Earendil and Oceana are right. Um, that's kinda it...

Actually, about what Earendil said, I think that's kinda the point in hatelistings. They want fans to reply. They want to get their points across. And there's nothing wrong with that. Really, if you are mad at them, the best thing to do is ignore it.

Bosco:

Waaaaait! Didn't anyone see my point? There's a hatesite! Little Eragon is finally growing up!

Here's where I got into it.

ivy:

Hi kids. I was informed about someone posting my essay--the one that seems to have started all this junk in your forum here--and had to come deliver a short message.

Regardless of your intentions, you *cannot* take someone's writing off the person's website and put it in its entirety wherever you want without permission. I was not notified or asked about putting my essay here. I would have preferred a link. I would like to warn the person who posted my essay here that it's illegal to do that and that I don't want it to happen again, but I'm not planning on doing anything about it. (That would be just silly.) I just wanted you to know that removing writing from its intended place of display without permission is in violation of copyright law. The next time you do that it might be to a writer who DOES plan to do something about it. Be careful, please.

That said, thanks for the attention and for the mostly respectful attitude I'm observing here. I appreciate it that some of you are actually defending what I said in my essay despite the fact that you are fans. That is very mature of you all. And I don't mind when you write to me and tell me your opinions. All of the mail I've gotten except the one quoted in the essay has been positive, but I don't care if you want to disagree with me as long as you do it in a respectful way.

Incidentally, I don't *expect* Mr. Paolini's work to be as good as Tolkien's and I don't particularly like Tolkien either, but I also *expect* people in the publishing business to avoid publishing lukewarm products. If my parents had vanity published mybook when I was nineteen (like CP's did) and they had published what I was writing at that age, I can assure you I'd have died of embarrassment about a year later. It was prematurely released, in my opinion. He might be good one day. I'm told "Give him a break, he's only a kid"--well, "kids" whose writing is not of publishing quality shouldn't be published yet. I stand by that.

And to the person who mocked my writing page by calling it disgusting, I sure would like to know what the hell that means. By all means, submit a critique. I wanna hear what makes my work so disgusting, if that's what you meant. Go for it.

I don't plan to be a regular on this forum--it'd kinda be pointless--so if you want to get a message to me about this post or my essay please do e-mail me at swankivy2@aol.com . Thank you.

--ivy

Bob The Goldfish:

quick q for bosco before I go off ranting. Did you find this Essay on the Internet or somewhere else? cause if its somewhere else evry one ignore the following. Kinda odd don't you think that if you post something on the Internet that it Has to stay in its same place, Ivy not to be an A'hole or anything but if your going to put something on the internet it's propably going to end up being posted somewhere else wheter you want it to or not, wheter you have a copyright or not. If you want your work to get out and everyone here about it, then go ahead and post on the Internet and word will get around and so will your opinion, yet so will your your actual essay. Would you like to have people start throwing money at you?

Eärendil:

No matter where something is printed, an author is still the one who wrote a piece. Thus, the author's wishes should be respected, and Bosco's post has been edited.

Oceana:

Apologies, Ivy. We were negligent and more discretion should have been used with that posting.

And I say kudos to you. You are extremely well-spoken and clear. You manage to say something that quite goes against the grain of so many of us, yet you do not reach the point where we feel patronized or feel like you are a mindless "hater". Agreeing with you and respecting you are two independent actions, so I will say that I have an excellent respect for you and what you have to say, despite some of my disagreements.

ivy:

Thank you to Eärendil and Oceana for pointing that out--yes, regardless of whether "it's the Internet" or not, copyright still applies and you aren't supposed to cut-n-paste any more than fair use laws allow, any more than you should photocopy books and distribute them as part of another larger work. I put my essay on the 'Net because I wanted people to see my opinion, but I don't want it to be taken in its entirety from my website and put somewhere else. That takes it out of context and removes its association to the other essays and removes my original formatting. I'm not angry about it, but I also wanted to make it clear that my stuff doesn't belong to other people and it's not theirs to do with as they wish.

And if anyone actually e-mail-bombs my friend Cara, who started the Eragon hatelisting, I really will kick your butt. Thank you and GOOD NIGHT!

--ivy

sbswain:

Alright, Drew (that is UGAdawg47) is now secretly (even though she knows about it) using my sister's computer. You have some very good points in there. I am a big Eragon fan, don't get me wrong. I've read the book at least 25 times. But you really have something to debate there. We should start a Eragon debating forum, and invite these people from there forum to join us, and we could just debate all night long, 'cause I love to argue.

JoRmUnDur:

Sorry Ivy for any bad things I may have said about your site, and hope your site stays on. Also, I am actually starting to agree after I saw Star Wars and how it is remarkably like Eragon, rescue a princess and all, but that is great that you stick out. Maybe even Chris will email you giving you compliments. Fans can be like that and its not anything to deal with. It's just, we all like Eragon and there's no way you can strip us off that fate. But, like I said, I really am sorry. .

What was Isenstar, by the way?

Eärendil:

Isenstar is the lake outside of Gil'ead... (The name Gil'ead, I might add, comes from The Dark Tower. I've only read a bit of the first book, but I believe the lead character is Roland of Gilead.)

You'll notice Cara got into it too.

Cara:

Hello, all. I am Cara, the owner of the Eragon hatelisting. I thought I would just throw my two cents in, even though Ivy's posts covered most of what I'm going to say. So, excuse me if this is a bit repetitive. I'll just go through the topic and pick out things to reply to.

QUOTE
Let's start a spam war!!! (thinks up every possible bad word he can imagine!!!!!) We HAVE to do something!!! But either not many people hate Eragon or it just started, we can bring it down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, is Eragon that good that people feel insulted??? LOTR is THE best, end of story. Everyone knows that! However, you don't have to cry if another author gets inspiration from possibly the best author of all time!!!!

That said, I'll leave ya alone.